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Info-Mac Digest             Wed, 14 Apr 93       Volume 11 : Issue 80

Today's Topics:

      [*] Trawl 1.0 (Network Utility)
      32k colors on LCIII
      68030 cache switch found
      [ANS] insurance for Macs/peripherals/software (Q)
      [ANS] Upgrading LCI, LCII, LCIII to faster machines
      A comment about INFO-MAC (R)
      A comment about INFO_MAC
      Adding 2nd internal drive to IIsi; can it be done?
      aliases
      A little OS humor for you...
      Answering questions
      CD mastering multiple formats
      ChipSoft buys MECA...
      Equation Editor Problem with MSWord (C)
      file corruption and SCSI problems (R)
      Finder Hacks for 7.0.1 (2 msgs)
      font coversion (Q)
      for the /info-mac/util/ad directory
      FoxBase Demo (Q)
      GL Viewer
      Have you ever seen a skull on your monitor (Q)
      IIci vs. LCII comments
      IIci vs LCIII (3 msgs)
      IIci vs LCIII (R)
      IIg connecting problem
      IISI GOOD DEAL (Q)
      indelible ink cartridges for StyleWriter?
      Info-Mac Digest V11 #79
      Insurance for Mac (update)
      insurance for Macs/peripherals/software (C)
      In Use 2.0, CPU, & Duo LCD Screen [A]
      LaTeX or plain TeX program.
      LC III or Centris 610
      Looking for Pascal-2-C source converter...
      Mactivity Registration Packet
      MacWrite Pro opinions continued...
      MacX or eXodus?
      MIS Positions
      MultiFinder & DA's
      One-armed-bandit (Q)
      PlotterGEIST (Q)
      Postscript errors after first print job
      Powerbook/Duo pricing in Germany
      Powerbook cases
      Printer driver for Smith Corona XD 6300
      Proposal: Mac hardware guide
      Q: One of THOSE questions...
      Silverlining / HD-Icons (R)
      TT fonts on Duo 230
      URDU Font

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 15:46:08 EST
From: [e-mail] (Michael Lowe)
Subject: [*] Trawl 1.0 (Network Utility)

Trawl allows a network manager to selectively scan an AppleTalk internet
and produce a pictorial view of the network with the devices and services
found represented as icons. From this display, which is similar to the
Finder's display of files, further information may be obtained about
specific devices by selecting the desired icons and choosing the required
action through the available menus. Furthermore, the data obtained through
the network scan may be exported to other programs for further use either
as a pictorial view of the network or as textual data.

Requires System 7

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/trawl.hqx; 120K]

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 14:29:43 +0300
From: [e-mail]
Subject: 32k colors on LCIII

I shrunk the screen via the monitor control panel as advised and did
receive the 32k colors.  Now that I have them, what is the difference?  Is
there a quicktime movie or some such where the difference between 256 and
32k is stunningly obvious?

How many colors can the human eye see anyhow (I know, billions and
billions) with discerning resolution??

All my best, mike...

Michael Silverstein, Materials Engineering, Technion.....

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 10:05:16 -0400
From: [e-mail] (William L Menninger)
Subject: 68030 cache switch found

Earlier, I wrote:

>Does anybody know of a control panel gadget or a simple utility that
>will allow a Mac user to turn on and off the instruction and/or data
>caches on a 68030 based Mac?  ...

I found it.  It was on archive.umich.edu:
mac/system.extensions/init/cachecontrol030.cpt.hqx

Thanks to everyone who responded.

-Will

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 13:59:36 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [ANS] insurance for Macs/peripherals/software (Q)

John Thoo <[e-mail]> wrote for information on insurance for
Macs/peripherals/software...

I've seen the ads for Safeware, but I don't know anything else about them.
Before you buy a policy from them, I'd suggest the usual caveats:  check with
the Ohio Better Business Bureau, state insurance regulators, etc.

As to buying Mac insurance in the first place...I'm a Lieutenant in the
Navy, and I've had my computer equipment, and all electronics, insured for
years with Armed Forces Co-Op.  While that company's clientele is limited,
other insurance companies offer similar policies to what I had:  full
coverage, with a replacement-cost floater.  This covered me if, for example,
my LC & 12" monitor fell off my desk at sea and smashed to bits.  In this
instance, the company would pay for a new LC III and 13" monitor, since the
original LC and 12" monitor aren't available.  For my money, a policy without
replacement cost coverage for electronics is useless--the going rate for the
LC I bought two years ago is $800.  ACV (Actual Cash Value = depreciation)
coverage for computer equipment is no good.

Now, is any coverage needed?  Depends on your usage.  Is your Mac in a
pilferable spot (ie-your office)?  What are the chances of damage to the
equipment?  Do you have insurance for other high-value items you own?

I've never seen a policy that covers software.  The best policy I can think
of is regular backups.  If your data is especially critical, the best thing
to do is keep one recent backup off-site.  You should always keep your
master application disks locked and securely stored.

The only kind of software insurance policy I can imagine would be one that
guards you against business losses caused by loss of data/software.

Just tossin' out some thoughts...

                       _____
                       \   /
Chuck Martini                           \o/
Oak Harbor, WA                           |
[e-mail]           _|_

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 13:37:14 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [ANS] Upgrading LCI, LCII, LCIII to faster machines

Michael Everson, in a feat of tremendous grammatical gymnastics, writes:

>Can anyone let me know what the most effective way of upgrading
>LCs so that they run faster is? [Astonishing syntax, isn't it?]
>It seems to take the LCI and LCII forever to do anything. I'm
>interested in processor/accelerator as well as memory solutions.

For my money, The Apple LC/LCIII upgrade seems to be the best buy.  For
$599, my local Apple dealer will take my hard drive out of my LC and put
it into a brand-new LCIII.  I get virtually a whole new machine.

I'd be interested in hearing from anybody who's had the official
upgrade--as soon as I get my nickels and dimes together, I plan to go
for it.  It sure sounds like "a deal I can't refuse".

                 _____  _____
    \   //                       \   /
Chuck Martini                     \o/\o/
Oak Harbor, WA                     ||
[e-mail]     _|_


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 20:23:59 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: A comment about INFO-MAC (R)

I was heartened by Jeff Kline's comment about not getting answers to
his questions.  I've had the same experience recently and I know what
he means about wondering whether to take it personally.  Myself, I
think it has something to do with how big Info-Mac has grown to be.  I
know I have difficulty keeping up with it.  I used to read it all.  Now
I am lucky if I can just scan the items of interest to me.  I also
think we are all busier than ever.  I must confess there are items I
could have answered but didn't due to the press of time, and because
I assumed someone else would.  Not necessarily so, I guess.

If we can't get our questions answered here, it kind of defeats the purpose.

David Van Nuys
Psychology
Sonoma State University

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 18:09:19 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Dave Umbaugh)
Subject: A comment about INFO_MAC

In Info-Mac-Digest 77, Jeff Kline complained about few responses to
some questions he had asked.  Perhaps the reason is that mail does not
reach him.

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Stop your whining.

--
L. David (Dave) Umbaugh             <[e-mail]>
Computer Science Engineering
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 14:06:10 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Adding 2nd internal drive to IIsi; can it be done?

Hi, folks.

    I have an old MacBottom external drive that I would like to move
    inside
my IIsi in addition to the drive already there.  Can this be done?  Does the
IIsi's power supply have enough 'umph'?  Has anyone tried this and succeeded
(or failed)?  Tell me your story...

'til next we type
HAVE FUN!!      --      Jesse

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 09:03:56 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: aliases

I am trying to run some programs from a fileserver and have set-up aliases
to the server for the individual programs.  However, there is one minor
problem.  If the server is not on the desktop and someone double-clicks on
their file, a dialog box comes up saying the program can not be found.
Double-clicking on a file will not pick up the alias which points to the
application on the fileserver.  Is there anyway to solve that or am I
burdened by having to launch the application first and opening the file
within the application?  Thanks.

--Tom


Tom J. Tabone                   CALS Computing & Biometry
[e-mail]     Univ. of Wisconsin - Madison
[phone]                  Madison, WI  53706

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Date: 13 Apr 1993 23:36:09 -0500 (EST)
From: ROBERT_BROCKMAN <[e-mail]>
Subject: A little OS humor for you...

In my recent quest for NeXTSTEP 486 information, and delving into the
exciting world of current and future operating systems, I came across this
little guide:

Robert Brockman, aka [e-mail]  or  [e-mail]


           WHAT DRIVING TO THE STORE WOULD BE LIKE IF
             OPERATING SYSTEMS RAN YOUR CAR

MS-DOS: You get in the car and try to remember where you put your keys.

Windows: You get in the car and drive to the store very slowly, because
attached to the back of the car is a freight train.

Macintosh System 7: You get in the car to go to the store, and the car
drives you to church.

UNIX: You get in the car and type GREP STORE.  After reaching speeds of 200
miles per hour en route, you arrive at the barber shop.

Windows NT: You get in the car and write a letter that says, "go to the
store."  Then you get out of the car and mail the letter to your dashboard.

Taligent/Pink: You walk to the store with Ricardo Montalban, who tells you
how wonderful it will be when he can fly you to the store in his Learjet.

OS/2: After fueling up with 6000 gallons of gas, you get in the car and
drive to the store with a motorcycle escort and a marching band in
procession.  Halfway there, the car blows up, killing everybody in town.

S/36 SSP [mainframe, obv.]: You get in the car and drive to the store.
Halfway there you run out of gas. While walking the rest of the way, you
are run over by kids on mopeds.

OS/400: An attendant locks you into the car and then drives you to the
store, where you get to watch everybody else buy filet mignons.

VAX/VMS: You use up tremendous amounts of gas to go very slowly and only
getting to see and image of the store.

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 08:16 EDT
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Answering questions

In 11-79, under the subject "Control Panel - quick access System 6 (A)"
E=MC^2  aka ABRODY @ CLARKU asks ME to:

>Check your Apple Menu!  It has a quick access to the Control Panels in System
>6, unless of course the system became corrupt.  Your System Reference manual
>shows this as well.

But I didn't ask the question--I was trying to help Allan Hunter, who
complained in 11-77 about the long time it took System 6 to open ALL the
control panels by this method when he wanted access to a single one.
Pulling down the control panels in System 6 from the Apple Menu opens them
all and then requires you to scroll to and then select the specific control
panel you wish to alter; the QuicKey solution I suggested just pulls out
the specific control panel as required. And I've never owned a System
Reference Manual for System 6; I bought my last System 6 machine (a
MacPlus) when the latest system was 3.2, and have upgraded systems free
without documentation since then, as have many of us.

As a very MINOR flame, I'd suggest that we all pay attention to the
question asked before commenting on a response, and distinguish between the
answerer and the questioner. I know good old E=MC^2 was just trying to be
helpful, and that's always welcome. (I hate no-name signatures, but that's
a different flame.)
Jeff Needleman  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 16:03:31 EST
From: "Mr. Troy Kelley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD mastering multiple formats

MacWeek has been running an ad from Pinnacle Micro which will allow
CD mastering for 4,000. I have a need to put many different programs
onto one CD, by programs I mean PC, UNIX and Mac. I was wondering if
I could use something similar to BinHexing or a binary transfer
to get all of the stuff on there? Would that be possible to write
PC & Unix programs onto a CD through a MAC somehow using some type
of translation process? I know the system will format in ISO 9660 which
is some type of standard format.
Any ideas would be appreciated.

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Date: 14 Apr 1993 08:29:35 -0800
From: "Anker, Andrew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ChipSoft buys MECA...

I was actually surprised not to see this reported in Tuesday's digest, so I'll
post it for those who didn't hear/see:

ChipSoft Inc., manufacturer of a program that seems to be people's favorite
target these days (i.e., MacInTax), announced on Monday that it was acquiring
MECA Software Inc. for about $58 million.  Needless to say, MECA manufacturers
MacInTax's only competitor (i.e., Tax Cut).

According to reports, MECA will be operated as a wholly owned, but separately
run subsidiary.  Let's hope so...  I like Tax Cut, but I can't live without
Managing
Your Money.

[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 15:00:41 -0400
From: [e-mail] (David B. Reiser)
Subject: Equation Editor Problem with MSWord (C)

regarding the problems exchanging Word and Word for Windows files containing
equations:

Golly, my experience has been that I simply can't get equations to change
platforms, even though Design Science wrote the equation editor for Microsoft
for both word processors.

It has been several months since I beat my head against the wall on this
problem, but I'm fairly certain I was using WfW 2.something and Mac Word
5.0a.
I just chalked it up as another reason to maintain a Microsoft Free Zone
around my Mac.

Dave
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 17:26:00 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: file corruption and SCSI problems (R)

>Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 20:56:56+080
>From: [e-mail] (Stephen Smoliar)

>My first SCSI experience involved connecting my Toshiba CD-ROM
>drive to said PowerBook.  This drive had two SCSI ports;  and, as I recall,
>they claimed a terminator was advisable but not necessary.  Naturally, I
>decided to play safe.  I connected the SCSI cable to the bottom port and
>put the terminator in the top one.  After loading all the requisite software,
>I restarted the PowerBook and discovered that it was oblivious to the CD-ROM
>drive...
> I was about to give up on the PowerBook when one last idea
>occurred to me:  I swapped ports, connecting the TOP port to the PowerBook
>and putting the terminator in the BOTTOM.  VOILA!  All of a sudden, the
>PowerBook believed it was connected to the CD-ROM!

This is not just a problem with the PowerBooks.  We have a removable
Syquest drive at work with an internal terminator.   A week ago, a
co-worker disconnected the drive at its top SCSI port to rearrange the
computer.  He reconnected with drive at its lower SCSI port.  Subsequently,
the drive did not mount.  After reviewing the diagrams in the manual that
came with the drive, I reconnected the drive at its top SCSI port and it
mounted once again.  The manual doesn't expicitly mention this problem, but
you live and learn...

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 16:03:41 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dieder B.)
Subject: Finder Hacks for 7.0.1

I am looking for a Finder hack that will enable me to disable that blasted
'I'll be back' message that the finder gives when you unmount a partition.
I have looked, and I see that there is a sheet in the reports/misc section
that covers the changes for the 'Hand-off' features of finder 7.0.1, as
well as the zoom boxes, and the name-editing delay, but I haven't found the
one for that blasted alert, and the patch was posted for 7.1. and not to
7.0.1...so any suggestions appreciated...! Has anybody done this at all?
Please tell me it is possible! :-)

Dieder

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 17:12:04 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dieder B.)
Subject: Finder Hacks for 7.0.1

I am looking for a Finder hack that will enable me to disable that blasted
'I'll be back' message that the finder gives when you unmount a partition.
I have looked, and I see that there is a sheet in the reports/misc section
that covers the changes for the 'Hand-off' features of finder 7.0.1, as
well as the zoom boxes, and the name-editing delay, but I haven't found the
one for that blasted alert, and the patch was posted for 7.1. and not to
7.0.1...so any suggestions appreciated...! Has anybody done this at all?
Please tell me it is possible! :-)

Dieder

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 05:06:23 GMT
From: Sven Guckes <[e-mail]>
Subject: font coversion (Q)

[e-mail] writes:

>This is probably a FAQ, but here goes:
>do you happen to know of any software that will convert a MAC font
>to an IBM (hopefully a True Type for windows) font?
>Commercial or shareware.... either.

FontClerk 4.1

Sven :)

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 11:57:16 -0800
From: fourcnl![e-mail] (John W. Sinteur)
Subject: for the /info-mac/util/ad directory

The following may be interesting for the After Dark directory.

-John

PRESS RELEASE (for immediate release)

LEIDEN, THE NETHERLANDS (April 7, 1993)

VAMP is organising a programming competition: Who creates the best
Macintosh After Dark module?

VAMP (Vereniging Actieve Mac Programmeurs - Association for Active Mac
Programmers) is a Dutch non-profit association targeting Macintosh
developers. VAMP tries to service Dutch speaking individuals
interested in developing for the Macintosh (whether on a professional
or non-professional basis)

Software developers are human - they too like to have fun. Put a group
of programmers together, and you are likely to get a number of wild
ideas for 'neat hacks' as programmers call them. Most of these ideas
are just that - ideas. Very few ever get completed. But some do. The
richness of the Macintosh environment allows for a wide range of
'hacks'. The yearly MacHack contest proves this by, time and time
again, producing hacks that often amaze even the best of programmers.

Ever since Berkeley Systems Inc. shipped After Dark, writing Screen
Saver modules has been a favourite pastime for programmers.

Famous Bulletin Board Systems have file areas fully dedicated to After
Dark modules, proving the popularity among programmers. A good
example of this is sumex-aim.stanford.edu on the Internet.

Most After Dark contests so far have focused on the display the screen
saver puts up - products like More After Dark prove this with awe
inspiring screens of beautiful artwork.

However, being a great programmer does not necessary mean being a
great artist as well, and some of the wildest ideas are sometime only
of interest to other programmers, and would require source code
distribution to be fully appreciated. None of the contests so far have
focused on this aspect of After Dark. This is about to change, because
VAMP is organising a contest for programmers. Therefore, VAMP is proud
to announce a programming contest.

Entries must consist of a fully completed After Dark module that runs
with After Dark version 2.0w or later, on a Macintosh with system
6.0.7 or later.

Entries must be accompanied with full source code and instructions how
to build the module (for MPW users, this means either a script or a
Make file, for Think users, a project file. For other development
platforms similar files are required)

Entries may not have been entered in similar contests before.

Copyright of the module stays with the author, but VAMP retains the
right to publish the source and the module in a collection. This
collection will be distributed for a nominal fee - VAMP has no
intention of making a profit out of this contest.

Entries must be received by VAMP before 31 December 1993.

Prices are expected to be awarded around April 1994.

Prices are: $500.- for overall winner, and $250.- for runner up.

In addition, Symantec Corporation has provided a prize as well. The
"Symantec Special Prize" will be awarded, consisting of the winners
choice of a Symantec Macintosh Development Environment.

Send entries to:

VAMP PO Box 11029 2301 EA Leiden The Netherlands

or mail to: [e-mail] on the Internet

or upload to the sysop on 'Outside VAMP' BBS at ([phone]

For more information, send any mail to [e-mail] on the Internet
(an automatic reply will send you full information), members of the
press may fax to ([phone].



SPECIAL NOTE: This contest is not sponsored by Berkeley Systems.
Berkeley Systems is running its own contest, which is not related to
ours - we focus on programming, they do not. (Information on the
Berkely Systems contest is available on America Online, in Berkeley
Systems' forum; just type the keyword Brksys)

HOWEVER: By special arrangement, entries will be submitted to Berkeley
Systems to be considered for publication.  Upon arrangement with the
author, Berkeley Systems will pay a minimum of $500 additional for
those modules they wish to publish.

Macintosh, MPW and QuickTime are registered trademarks of Apple
Computer Inc. After Dark is a registered trademark of Berkeley Systems
Inc. Think is a registered trademark of Symantec Corporation.


-- end --

[  [e-mail]  John W. Sinteur, 2:512/48 (fidonet)  ]
[   Snail: Jade str 28, 2332 RT Leiden, The Netherlands   ]
[          The gee-forces, Buzz! The gee-forces!          ]

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 14:20 MET
From: [e-mail]
Subject: FoxBase Demo (Q)

Hallo,

Does anybody know where I can find a demo of
the FoxBase database program ? Is it available
anywhere, or is it permitted that someone post it
to me personally ? I just would like to give it
a try, thats all.

Nico Rozendaal,
State University Limburg,
Dept.of Neuropsychology,
Maastricht,
the Netherlands.

(e-mail: [e-mail] )

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 17:08:20 EDT
From: Tom Coradeschi <[e-mail]>
Subject: GL Viewer

Does anyone have any experience with GL Viewer? GL files are DOS-type
graphic/animation files. There's an app on mac.archive called GL Viewer.
It comes with a sample file, and displays it just fine, but it freezes
the machine once it's done drawing to the screen. No docs or author are
listed. I'm running a IIci w/ 20M RAM. Tried System 7.0.1 & 6.0.7, 32 bit
& 24 bit, extensions on & off. No difference...

        tom coradeschi    <+>    [e-mail]

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Date: 14 Apr 1993 16:22 +0100 (MET)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Have you ever seen a skull on your monitor (Q)

Dear Net

We are suffering from something that requires some intelligent assistance.
The system: IIfx, 20Mb Ram, 160 Mb HD, sys 7.1 no enablers, 8*24gc card.
The problem: several applications cause the machine to hang nl.:
Cricket Graph III 1.01, Mathematica 2.03 enhanced version, Adobe Photo-
shop, among others.

Cricket Graph III:
Running Cricket Graph III 1.01 with VM off and 32 bit on
often (not always !) causes the system to hang even on a completely
bare machine with only Cricket and a system. What is both interesting and
frightening is that sometimes when Cricket hangs, the mouse cursor changes
into a skull (Yes, a death's face !) before the machine is dead completely.
Running Disinfectant 3.1 gives no clues of a possible new virus present on
the machine. What is also interesting is that although Cricket crashes with
empty Extensions and Control panel folders it does not crash (at least much
less) when the system was booted using the shift key. Apparently the shift
key does more than simply disabling extensions and control panel stuff.

Disinfectant 3.1:
We noticed today that even Disinfectant 3.1 cause the fx to hang. When
launched from a locked floppy, selecting one of the items from the pull
down menu "SCAN" causes the machine to hang while it ejects the floppy.

Mathematica:
Running Mathematica 2.03 enhanced version is troublesome, however, the
machine does not hang. Mathematica almost invariably crashes with
either a type 1, type 2 or type 3 error.

What we tried:
We ran Snooper 2.0, reset the PRAM using option+command+P+R, rebuilt the
desktop many times reinitialized, reformatted etc. the hard drive,
reinstalled the system. For now we have no more ideas what could
cause the trouble.

Some help from the net would be greatly appreciated.

Daniel van Kraalingen, [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 11:24:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: IIci vs. LCII comments

Reciently, Bob DeMaria wrote:
>Have you read April's edition of MACWORLD?  They have an interesting chart on
>page 112 and 113 on comparing MACs.  It seems to me that for twice the price
of
>an LCIII you can get a IIci with the only advantage being the NuBus slots.  I
>hope you aren't planning on expanding your RAM to more than 8 MEG because
>according to the chart you won't be able to on the IIci.  The LC III can
>accomodate up to 36 MEG.  I bet the LC III would run as fast as the IIci in
math
>tests with the FPU.

Don't always blindly believe what you read.  Using only 1 meg SIMMs, the IIci
can in fact hold only (!) 8 megs of RAM.  However, there are 4 meg SIMMs in
the
world, the IIci can use them, and hey, do you think the LCIII has 36 SIMM
slots
or something?  Of course it doesn't.

Also, don't presume, especially now that it's out of production, that the IIci
is going to cost twice the price of an LC III on the street.  And depending on
what someone is doing with the machine, NuBus slots may not be so trivial.
Don't get me wrong, personally I'd take the LC III.  It's a new machine, just
as capable, a bit cheaper, and I think it's going to be a big hit on the
market
(read: it will be supported for a long time...)

As for the IIvx, I'm not that impressed with a new machine like that which
basically keeps pace with the old IIci.  If I'm aiming above an LC III, I'd
go take a closer look at the Centris lineup.

Scott Kaplan
Amherst College
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 14:18:55 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Eric H Seale)
Subject: IIci vs LCIII

[e-mail] writes:
>>I am trying to compare a MacIIci (8MB, no cache card, FPU) and an LCIII
>Have you read April's edition of MACWORLD?  They have an interesting chart on
>page 112 and 113 on comparing MACs.  It seems to me that for twice the price
>of
>an LCIII you can get a IIci with the only advantage being the NuBus slots.  I

Naahh -- IIci's are on close-out -- I got mine for a few $100 less than
a LC III

>hope you aren't planning on expanding your RAM to more than 8 MEG because
>according to the chart you won't be able to on the IIci.  The LC III can
>accomodate up to 36 MEG.

Don't have a copy of MacWorld handy, but the IIci can take up to 128 MB
of RAM.

A happy IIci owner...
Eric Seale

------------------------------

Date: 14 Apr 1993 08:13:46 -0800
From: "Anker, Andrew" <[e-mail]>
Subject: IIci vs LCIII

>I hope you aren't planning on expanding your RAM to more than 8 MEG because
>according to the chart you won't be able to on the IIci.  The LC III can
>accomodate up to 36 MEG.

I didn't pull out the chart, but I am writing this from a IIci with 20 meg of
RAM (4-4 meg SIMMs and 4-1 meg SIMMs).  I know I could replace the 1 meg SIMMs
with 4 more 4 meg SIMMs and have 32 meg.  I'm pretty sure I could go higher.

[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 21:31:29 GMT
From: [e-mail] (justin m. collins)
Subject: IIci vs LCIII

In digest <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:

>>Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 19:08:22 +0300
>>From: [e-mail]
>>Subject: IIci vs LCIII

>>I am trying to compare a MacIIci (8MB, no cache card, FPU) and an LCIII
>>(the same) to decide which is better for work (heavier tasks) and which for
>>home.  The external differences are that the LCIII has a microphone (not
>>all that important) and the IIci and monitor can be booted from the power
>>switch (I can survive without it).  Are there more significant differences
>>that I should be aware of (I will be using a StyleWriter at home and a
>>laser at work.  The only other device/card will be a modem or fax/modem for
>>use at home)?

>Have you read April's edition of MACWORLD?  They have an interesting chart on
>page 112 and 113 on comparing MACs.  It seems to me that for twice the price
>of
>an LCIII you can get a IIci with the only advantage being the NuBus slots.  I
>hope you aren't planning on expanding your RAM to more than 8 MEG because
>according to the chart you won't be able to on the IIci.  The LC III can
>accomodate up to 36 MEG.

WRONG!!!!  First off, the IIci has been discontinued, and if you buy one
it is either a) used, or b) dealer surplus in which case the price
should be around $1,800-$2,000 (general estimate) basically it will only
be about $300-$400 more than an LCIII.  Secondly the IIci can be expanded
to 128 megs with 16 meg simms.  Obviously this chart was very erronious.
Also as far as I know the LCIII does not also have a ram cache, which
helps speed things up quite a bit.  Though you do gain speed from the
fact that the internal video is faster on the LCIII due to dedicated
ram, whereas the IIci has to use regular system memory.  Of course some
of us really do not like 8-bit color and have since purchased a 24-bit
video card for there machine.  Also the IIci does have a PDS slot where
the cache card resides, so it does offer a little better of an upgrade path
there are some nice acceleraters for the IIci.

  I bet the LC III would run as fast as the IIci in
>math
>tests with the FPU.  If you really want expandability why not up for a IIvx?
>At
>least Apple is not planning on discontinuing it this spring.

The IIvx will cost you more than the IIci and is not really any faster
due to the limited architecure.  I have used both machines and I really
prefer the IIci to the IIvx, and the FPU does make a slight difference
depending on what you do.  I, myself, at times do alot of work that requires
an FPU such as rendering, and excel work and stuff like that.

>Hope this helps

>Bob DeMaria


peace,
-justin m. collins
<[e-mail]>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 09:28 PST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: IIci vs LCIII (R)

In Info-Mac Digest V11 #79, Robert DeMaria wrote:

> :
> I hope you aren't planning on expanding your RAM to more than 8 MEG because
> according to the chart you won't be able to on the IIci.

This is just wrong.  I haven't seen the chart to which Robert is referring,
but I submit my IIci with 17Meg as evidence.  Eight SIMM slots can give you at
least 33Meg (8 * 4Meg + 1Meg on-board).

- Ed

------------------------------

Date: 14 Apr 93 19:58:00 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: IIg connecting problem

Hi netters,
    We just got a new IIg and would like to connect it
to our Macs, PCs and workstations. All of the PCs and
workstations are on the ethernet. So we're thinking if we
could connect them together via Ethernet. Some told me that
the ethernet port on the IIg is for Macs use only, it does
not follow (or support) TCP/IP. Is this true? We need some
information about this from someone who really connects IIg
to Macs, PCs and workstations at the same time, especially
via Ethernet. Thanx in advance :-)

Mack.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 13:37:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: [e-mail] (MARC SCHRIER)
Subject: IISI GOOD DEAL (Q)

A friend of mine is interested in getting a new Mac.
He is considering getting a Mac IIsi in Los Angeles.
There are two stores in L.A. that have them for really
cheap.  The catch... you have to get their monitor.
My question is has anyone ever heard of a VividView 14"
monitor?  or a SR Tech 14" monitor?
Are they any good?
The deal sounds really good to me, but I don't trust
the monitors.
The deal is:
Mac IIsi 3/40   $299
VividView 14"   $588
Ext. Keyboard   $149
Works/Quicken   $199

Has anyone seen other deals like this?
please send any suggestions to me, or post them, and
I can post any good insights.


            thanks,
                Marc

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 14:47:53 EDT
From: Allan Hunter <[e-mail]>
Subject: indelible ink cartridges for StyleWriter?

Sharon Zardetto Aker writes in THE MACINTOSH BIBLE:

One minor problem [with the HP Deskwriter] is that the curren ink is
water-soluble, and thus prone to smearing if the page gets wet.  But HP
has announced that an indelible ink cartridge will be available soon.
- 1991 edition -

I do not have an HP Deskwriter, but rather an Apple StyleWriter (I, not
II, not that that oughta make a difference), and was led to think that
such problems did not, or never had, plagued the StyleWriter.  But it
does.  Printouts are fine unless they get rained on, condensed upon,
etc.  (I guess I can't write any tear-jerkers, huh?)

The local computerware stores are clerked by sales staff whose range of
knowledge does not overlap the area, as in, "Huh, whatddya wanna know,
the price, or whether we got it in stock?"

Anybody know if I have an alternative to 360 dpi watercolor printing?

- Allan Hunter
 <ahunter@sbccvm>
 <[e-mail]>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 11:41:28 PST
From: [e-mail] (Salient Software)
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #79

In article <[e-mail]>
([e-mail]), you write:
|Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 16:35 GMT
|From: "NAME \"Fergus J. Lalor\""
|<[e-mail]>
|Subject: diskdoubler 377 updater transfer problem
|
|I had basically the same experience as William M. Curtis describes (V11,
|No. 75) on downloading the DiskDoubler upgrade from a local mirror of
|Sumex-aim and automatically unbinhexing/expanding it with Stuffit
|Expander 3.0.1. When I caught on to the fact that the file was invisible
|I corrected this with ResEdit and - unlike W.M.C - then the file
|gave me no further problems. Meant to report it at the time but forgot.
|Fergus J. Lalor, Chemistry Dept., University College, Cork, Ireland.
|BITNET: [e-mail]
|

The fact that you have to use Stuffit Expander to expand the file
indicates that the file has been altered.  All files we upload are
in DiskDoubler format.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 22:18:54 PDT
From: [e-mail] (John Thoo)
Subject: Insurance for Mac (update)

A few digests ago I asked about insurance for Mac equipment.
Since then I've received several replies (thanks all).  Unfortunately,
as often happens, I'm behind on answering my mail, but when I get around
to it (by Friday, I hope), I'll post a summary of the responses, and send
out `thank you's' to all who e-mailed me.  Meanwhile, it's back to making
up a quiz and tomorrow's lecture :-)

Stay tuned...
--John.
J. B. THOO, Math Dept, Univ of California, Davis <[e-mail]>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 13:16:19 CDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: insurance for Macs/peripherals/software (C)

I have renters insurance through State Farm and computer equipment
(up to $8000, I believe) is included in that.  It is also replacement
insurance and doesn't shaft me on depreciation.  You can also add a
rider to the policy if you have more than $8000 of hardware/software.

I personally wouldn't be without it.  Computers and their software are
an awfully big investment to let go up in flames or get stolen
without protection.

Best regards,

Gary L. Gray                *  Engineering Mechanics & Astronautics
[e-mail]  *  University of Wisconsin-Madison

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 16:37:45 +0100
From: Elliot Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: In Use 2.0, CPU, & Duo LCD Screen [A]

Ok folks, here's the DEFINITIVE answer as to why the little disk use indicator
(In Use 2.0.2) isn't visible on the built-in LCD monitor of my Duo because of
CPU.  The answer comes most graciously from Ron B, [e-mail], (his
message to me follows):

   ==================

Elliot, absolutely I can shed some more light!

One of CPUs utilities is the screen saver (where it flashes neg-pos).
This little ditty needs to capture the whole screen refresh cycle so
it can reverse each pixel when it triggers. Since "officially" nothing
is *supposed* to be in the upper left corner, CPU just blanks it out
white. InUse rewrites itself, but probably at a different frequency
than CPU's refresh cycle. For reasons beyond my knowledge, when the
cursor sits near the left side with a horizontal height above the
InUse bitmap, it blocks CPU's refresh scan so you end up seeing
the SCSI access bitmap.

This, incidentally, comes from a 20 minute session on the phone
with Connectix support. They were rather helpful and somewhat
friendly (even though their software tends to trash on a lot of neat
cp's and extensions).

There are 2 solutions:

1. Don't use the screen saver. Be sure that *all* the different sets
(Home, Office, General) have the screen saver turned off, then reboot.
If even one of the sets has it turned on, that "module" if you will, gets
loaded and causes the noted problem.

2. Connectix said they're coming out with V2 of CPU (by the end of this
month!) and will be free to those who bought recently. This version will
include more modules, one of which is a SCSI indicator (so you won't
need InUse).

I'm employing solution 1 right now and will give #2 a try as soon as
I get it, but will hang on to InUse in case theirs stinks (I still
prefer to use SuperClock! :^)

Actually there's even a third solution, don't use CPU :).

Hope this helps,

Ron

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 00:22:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: LaTeX or plain TeX program.

Okay, first, I am a *complete* TeX novice.  All I know is what the
program is intended for, and sort of what the source and finished
documents look like.  So I am wondering...Where can I find a program
which will compile either TeX or LaTeX files into .dvi files?

Or am I way off base and not even asking a question that makes sense?
(Entirely possible...)  Any info would be nice.  We have very nice
TeX and LaTeX compilers (I think that's what they are) and previewers
on some Suns here, but I'd like one for home.

Scott Kaplan
Amherst College
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 10:36:36 +0100
From: John Hendrickx <[e-mail]>
Subject: LC III or Centris 610

>I am the one who's brother is going to get SPSS on the Mac based on his
>experiences on the Mac and having used mainframe version of SPSS. This has
>been OK-d by Info-Mac and Mac-L opinion.
>
>Now, we must purchase a suitable Mac. He can afford the LC III and the
>Centris 610 (if I give him some money, which I offered to do without being
>asked).
>
>Anyway, the 610 has no FPU (math coprocessor) but the LCIII has an FPU
>(optional). Will the 68040 without FPU outperform a 68030 with FPU? I think
>it might, in part due to the various caches that the 68040 has built into
>it. After all, statistics has higly repetitious mathematical operations
>done on large amounts of data.
>
>Anyone care to confirm or disagree? I'd feel much better if I got some
>comments on this. THANKS! -Pete Tamas

Get "/report/macfacts-ii.txt". It contains speedometer speed tests of all
available macs (in the third section), along with a lot of other useful
information. If I recall correctly, a Centris 610 was faster at math than
any 68030, but a Centris 640 was 4 times faster.

John Hendrickx
Department of Sociology, University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Internet: [e-mail]
  Bitnet: u211310@hnykun11

------------------------------

Date: 14 Apr 1993 14:46:02 +1200
From: PenDragon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Looking for Pascal-2-C source converter...

Here's one of those "where'd that app that I thought I'd never
 ever want come from questions". Well - sometime ago I trashed
 mine only copy of a pascal-to-C source converter and now I
 wouldn't mind having it back. I've hunted through ALL-FILES.TXT
 and the /SOURCE/C abstract but nothing rang any bells. So
 does anyone out there in netland know where this beastie lives?

Thanks for any help - Denis    [ [e-mail] ]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 13:12:48 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Thomas Scott)
Subject: Mactivity Registration Packet

Sorry about not typing a subject in the last message.  My brain's
half-fried from mucho projects I've been working on.

If you're really serious about learning more about the Mactivity, I
strongly urge you to at least call for the registration packet.  Call
Winehouse Computer at 1-800-798-2928 and have them **RUSH** you your very
own packet.  It's got a way cool quote on the inside front cover of the
conference brochure froms *yours truly*.  :-)

Seriously though, it's got all the information I've been and will be
disseminating concerning the conference, and more!!!  It also gives you
information about arrangements WineHouse has made with lodging
establishments and travel agents to give special conference rates.  So call
already!!



Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 13:25:00 CDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MacWrite Pro opinions continued...

I have been using MW Pro for about 2 weeks and I really like it.
I had been using Word to write resumes, coverletters, and other
small documents (though not necessarily simple), but it was utter
frustration.  Word is *HUGE*, *SLOW*, and a very cluttered
interface (Word 5.1), but it was all that I had.  MW Pro, on the
other hand, is fairly small, swift, and has a very nice interface.
It does all I need and more in a great little package.  I still
do all my big time dtp in TeX, but MacWrite is getting a lot more
use around here than Word used to.

Just my opinion...

Gary L. Gray                *  Engineering Mechanics & Astronautics
[e-mail]  *  University of Wisconsin-Madison

------------------------------

Date: 14 Apr 1993 16:01:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Michael W. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacX or eXodus?

Does MacX support color? I know that eXodus is supposed to but I've
never seen a machine running either of them. How fast a machine do
I need to make the performance good. I'm used to using a VAXstation
3100 M38 with a 19" monochrome monitor. I'd like to have color and
I'm not sure I can live with a smaller monitor. So I've been thinking
that it would take something like a Quadra 800 and a 21" color monitor
to get me where I want to be.

If those that have used or use MacX or eXodus could give me your likes
and dislikes about either package I'd appreciate it.

My VAXstation is running DECwindows Motif 1.0 and I usually have seven
DECterm sessions, the calculator, calendar, clock, bookreader, and
VAXnotes running. Although most things are iconified. Will a MacX
or eXodus handle that? In color? Will it take a Quadra 800 to make
it run acceptably or will it run like a dog anyway?

Michael W. Wheeler (Bitnet: mww@tntech) (Internet: [e-mail])

------------------------------

Date: 14 Apr 1993 15:18:22 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Jorczak)
Subject: MIS Positions

I am looking for an MIS position in a Macintosh based Company.

Does anyone know how I may get a listing of any large macintosh
sites in the United States?

thanks - jeff jorczak

------------------------------

Date: 13 Apr 1993 21:00:28 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MultiFinder & DA's

hello:

 since i've started using MultiFinder (6.0.2)

 the desk accessories are NOT accessible.

 when i select one, the Mac just beeps.

 what gives?

 sincerely,
 mrsma@uno

[Return of the Living FAQ... thank the gods, I've forgotten the answer.]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 14:54 EST
From: E=MC^2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: One-armed-bandit (Q)

Dear Netters,
Where might I find MacBandit - the one-armed bandit software?  Is it
shareware/freeware or comercial?
Thank you.
Sincerely
ABRODY @ CLARKU

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 09:01:59 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: PlotterGEIST (Q)

Hello all:
Has anyone heard of, used, read horror stories/eulogies/obituaries/hate
mail about the PlotterGEIST pen plotter driver? I read a review of it a few
years ago and recall that it was fairly highly rated. I can't find the
company name or phone number now.

Please e-mail me with any info, opinions, advice and caveats you may have.
If enough people ask for it, I'll summarize and post.

Thanks!
Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 09:51:03 PST
From: Tim Castle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Postscript errors after first print job

Has anyone seen (and hopefully solved) this problem?

A friend has a TI microLaser printer, which he upgraded with an AppleTalk
card, PostScript and more memory. On powering up the printer, the first job
he prints works fine. After that, no matter what he tries to print,
PrintMonitor reports back that a PostScript error has occurred, generally an
"offending command" of some sort.

He's on an SE w/4MB, running System 7.0, TuneUp 1.1.1. Is this a LaserWriter
driver version problem?

Tim Castle       [e-mail]
End-User Computing, GTE Gov't Systems, Mountain View, CA

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 14:52:24 CDT
From: bq Mackintosh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Powerbook/Duo pricing in Germany

Could someone give me the current street-price of Powerbooks and Duo's
in Germany?  Replies in English or German welcome.

bq Mackintosh
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 14 Apr 1993 01:58:10 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Steven Hodas)
Subject: Powerbook cases

Somewhere recently I read a review of a number of different cases for
Powerbooks, but I can't for the life of me remember where. If anybody saw
this, or has any recommendations or cautions about various brands and/or
models, please post them or mail me.

Thanks,

Steven

Steven Hodas                    [e-mail]           206.285.5734
U. of Washington             School of Education/Leadership and Policy Studies

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 08:23:12 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Printer driver for Smith Corona XD 6300

Received: from RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@RICEVM1) by
 RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9205; Wed,
 14 Apr 1993 10:23:34 -0500
Date: 14 April 1993, 11:17:21 EDT
From: Robert E. Moore           404-651-3990         PRPREM   at GSUVM1
To:   INFO-MAC at RICEVM1
Subject: Printer driver for Smith Corona XD 6300

Does anyone that is familiar with Powerprint (the package that
has numerous printer drivers) know if it has a printer driver that
will work with a Mac connected to a Smith Corona XD 6300 electronic
typewriter.  Also what cables are needed?  Is there some other source
of printer drivers that I should look into?  Thanks.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 05:36:53 GMT
From: Sven Guckes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Proposal: Mac hardware guide

[proposition of hardware listing etc]
>date of introduction, date of discontinuation, approximate price,
>Apple's part number (including options), etc.
>
>What do you guys think?

See e.g.:
info-mac/report/mac-facts*

Benchmark test lists have been done, too.

Sven :)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 10:53:50 MDT
From: The Lunatic Fringe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Q: One of THOSE questions...

Here's one of those 'why me?' questions:

My user has a Mac Quadra 700 with Word Perfect 2.1.3.  He had been
running quite happily using 7.0.1 and Now 3.somethingorother.
Recently, he upgraded to 7.1 and Now 4.0.1p simultaneously.
Everything seemed fine for a while, but then a problem reared in
printing from WordPerfect.  On small documents (like one line)
everything seems OK, but on larger docs (1 page or more) the computer
will hang.  The first time it prints, it's fine, but subsequent
printing of the same document (or other 1 page plus docs) causes
PrintMonitor to hang, taking the entire system with it.  Upon
rebooting, a print error is pending, which needs to be cleared in
Print Monitor.

Pause for a brief sigh...

My first thought was a memory conflict.  The Quadra has 20Mb
installed, of which 2-3Mb are in use by the system.  Print Monitor
likes 80K.  I booted the minimum memory up to 500K in hopes of finding
more room to run it in.  Unfortunately, no go, it died just the same.
So, BTDT on that one.  Interestingly enough, deleting the Now pref
files works as a temporary fix, but the problem will recur eventually.
My current action was to drop back to the 3.??? version of Now and see
what that does.  Of course, that rebuilt the Prefs files, so I won't
have any real results for about a week or so.

Any ideas?  Thanx in advance...

Mike Post
Consultant
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 12:11:11 MET DST
From: Christian F. Buser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Silverlining / HD-Icons (R)

>I've been having some problems with my Quantum 80 meg HD ever since I
>formatted and partitioned it with Silverlining. For some reason, Sys7 no
>longer allows me to do a get info on the drive, which is the only way I
>can think of to change the icons (ugly, in my opinion) that come with the
>SL software... I've tried re-installing the software... does anyone know
>what sort of problem could this be?

Seems you're using an older version of Silverlining. Latest version
recommended for Sys 7 is 5.42 (to my knowledge). You should ask LaCie
for an upgrade.

You can easily change icons on driver level with Silverlining. Unless
you want some very special icon that is not included there, you don't
need to paste a custom icon in the "get-info"-window.

Best regards, Christian                  [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: 14 Apr 1993 09:54:02 -0500
From: "Jonathan Maybaum" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TT fonts on Duo 230

               Subject:                               Time:9:52 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          TT fonts on Duo 230                    Date:4/14/93
I am also having a font problem with system 7.1 on my Duo 230.  It seems that
Geneva 9 pt. screen display is screwed up (e.g., the characters in a Finder
Get
Info window are jaggy and mis-spaced).  I re-installed the system and ran with
or without extensions off, to no avail.  Any knowledge of this problem ?
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 14:51:10 EDT
From: "Charles A. Patrick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: URDU Font

Is there anyone out there in NetLand who is happily using Urdu Script without
an Urdu System?

I realize that under one of Apple's more enduring VaporWare products,
WorldScript, this will be a routine matter for users of Word processers like
MacWrite Pro, WriteNow, and eventually Word 8.0.
I was just wondering if some enterprising soul had anticipated Apple
and Claris.

Cheers.

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